Tuesday, January 16, 2018

Autosomal DNA tests

I find that the Hawkins yDNA project has absolutely no way to help those of us who have taken the autosomal test at FTDNA (Family Finder) or Ancestry or any of the other companies that offer this test.  I should also mention Gedmatch.  So I am asking those of you who joined the Hawkins yDNA project but don't have a yDNA match to anyone with the Hawkins surname to go to the FTDNA site and Choose projects on one's sign in page.  Then choose manage projects from the pull down menu at the top of the page, and then beside the Hawkins project choice, choose Leave the project.  Then we as a group will try to find a way for the Hawkins DNA blog site (which is where you are right now) to work to help us all find our autosomal matches who have Hawkins connections.

I have some ideas on possibilities on how to do this, but I don't know if they will work until we try them.  I have added a tab at the top of this page that says:  Family Finder Participants.  However, I am happy to add all autosomal kit identifications that anyone wants to send me on any of the sites including Ancestry and Gedmatch.  If you don't mind sharing your contact information publicly, I will put it on the blog.  Then I will try to put links to blog posts on which we can discuss how we believe that we connect to each other.  Please only send me kit information for people who believe that they connect to a Hawkins family.  If you know which family group to which you connect, send me that as well.  If you don't know to which family group your Hawkins line connects, I'll put you in a unmatched group.  Please help me figure out the best way to make this work.  We'll chip away until we get something to work.

Saturday, November 11, 2017

Family Group #6

David Hawkins recently agreed to make some of his Hawkins ancestry public.    He is a match to other participant who form Family Group #6.  His family tree should be of great interest to family group #6.

Group-06 Participant #493779

...1 Thomas Hawkins
…...2  William Hawkins, b. May 29, 1805 Fareham, Hampshire, England; d. Mar 1890, Alverstoke, Hampshire, England
…......3  George Hawkins, b. 1858 Porchester, Hampshire, England; d. Aug 28, 1929 Alverstoke, Hampshire, England
….........4  Earnest Hawkins, b. Nov 11, 1888 England; d. May 14, 1972, Vicksburg, Michigan USA
................5  Robert Hawkins, b. July 12, 1916 Kalamazoo, Michigan USA; d. Feb 24, 1991 Kalamazoo, Michigan USA
…................6  Participant 493779 
Why is this so helpful?  Because David's ancestors moved to these shores quite late.  Earnest Hawkins who died in Vicksburg, Michigan was born in England in 1888, so he moved probably in the early 1900s.  And David has good documentation explaining where Earnest's ancestors had lived in England for at least two or three generations.  There is at least some probability that the other Hawkins participants in this family group #6 may have had a connection to this same area of England.

Here are some maps explaining where David's ancestors lived.  The first map shows the general area in which they are found.  The red outline is the area of Southampton.

In the second map we can see where Fareham is located in this general area:

Wikipedia tells us that Alverstroke is a parish

Until the early 19th century, the parish of Alverstoke measured some 4.5 miles from north to south, and 2.5 miles from east to west, covering most of present-day Gosport. The parish still stretched north, adjoining Fareham and Titchfield parishes.,[3] south to the Solent, east as far as Portsmouth Harbour, and west to the parish of Rowner, into the 20th century. However, large parts of the north and east of the parish were split into separate parishes between 1840 and 1913.

Wednesday, October 11, 2017

Autosomal evidence for John Hawkins of Wicklow

This morning I heard from Gina Meyers about her Hawkins family line connection. Her family has roots in County Wicklow, Ireland...... just south of Dublin.

 Here is information in her own words about this family:

I am descended from John HAWKINS (b.1810-d.1900) of Wicklow. John was a farmer in Cranareen, and married Mary Ellen WILSON in 1837. He had three daughters – Rebecca (my 2 x gr.grandmother), Elizabeth and Mary Ann. The family's oral history does not mention any sons.

I have speculated that John was the second child of Thomas HAWKINS and Rebecca DAGG of Rustyduff and Killibeg. My reasoning goes like this :
(i) Thomas and Rebecca are known to have a son named John b.c.1810
(ii) John's oldest daughter was named Rebecca.
(iii) John was farming in Cranareen which is “right next door” to Rustiduff.
(iv) The person who registered John's death in 1900 was Edward ALLEN, who I believe to be the son of Elizabeth HAWKINS (Thomas and Rebecca's fifth child) and Edward ALLEN.

However, I know that there is another John HAWKINS of Wicklow who emigrated to Canada and married Eliza MOORE, and it is suggested that he was the son of Thomas and Rebecca. I believe that the evidence for this is that :
(i) He also was b.c. 1810.
(ii) Other sons of Thomas and Rebecca had emigrated to the same area in Canada.
(iii) Other DAGG descendants had emigrated to the same area in Canada.
(iv) John died in 1853 in Canada. In 1855 in Ireland, Thomas - and his second wife, Mary MOODY - had a son whom they named John. It's believed that the child born in 1855 was given the name John because his older half-brother was the John who had died in Canada a year or two earlier.

I'm not aware of any paper trail which might allow us to distinguish between the two John HAWKINS men, and I hoped that DNA evidence might help to clarify which John really was the son of Thomas and Rebecca.

Autosomal DNA evidence from FTDNA and Gedmatch appears to suggest that there is a familial connection between my John and the family of Thomas and Rebecca, although it's not clear what the relationship is.

I have one match with a known descendant of Thomas and Rebecca.
I have one match with another “probable” descendant of Thomas and Rebecca.
I am aware of two known descendants of Thomas and Rebecca with whom I have no DNA match.

If I am correct in my theory that my John was the son of Thomas and Rebecca, then all the relationships here are around 4th cousin (give or take a removal) - and so absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence.

I would love to know whether there are others associated with Thomas HAWKINS and Rebecca DAGG of Rustiduff and Killibeg who have tested and might be able to shed any light on the puzzle. Thomas married twice and had 25 children in total, and so there are many, many descendants out there.

With best regards,

Thursday, September 14, 2017

Family group #2

The Participant who was sponsored by Richard Wilstead falls into family group #2.  This is also the family group that Sandi Vaught's research would lead her to believe her family would connect.  Richard's research connects him to Manoah/Noah Hawkins who died in 1814 in Montgomery County, Virginia.  His birth date is circa 1767.  Manoah/Noah was married to Susannah Reynolds.  I had been told that Susannah was born in Botetourt County, Virginia and probably the couple married there.  However, if you look at the comment below, you will see that it is unlikely that Susannah was born in Botetourt County as her father does not show up in the tax lists until 1787 and Susannah is said to have been born in 1772.

Sandi believes her family line that goes back to Jehu Dyer Hawkins born 25 Aug 1756.  Most likely scenario is that Manoah/Noah is the nephew of Jehu Dyer.  William Hawkins who died in Franklin County, Kentucky in 1818 is father of Manoah/Noah and brother to Jehu Dyer Hawkins.

Wednesday, September 13, 2017

Jehu Dyer Hawkins

Sandi Vaught and I are hanging out in Orange, Virginia doing Hawkins research.  Our big find of the day was the marriage bond of Jehu Dyer Hawkins Mary Gaines (widow).  The bond is dated 25th day of Oct 1780.  The couple lived in Orange County until 1780.  Next they are found in Culpeper County until 1791.  Sandi finds them next in Botetourt County, Virginia when Jehu's daughter, Elizabeth, married Thomas Parker in 1797 in Botetourt County.  Next Sandi finds them in the 1810 census record in Barren County, Kentucky.  Sandi believes they may have been in Kentucky as early as 1801. 

The huge importance of the below document is that the index calls the groom Sebree.  Jehu seems to have used both the name Jehu and the name John.   On this marriage bond he clearly spells his name as Jehu!  He did have a son who went by both the name Jehu and John.  In this son's will he calls himself John D.  We think the D stands for Dier.  

Arculous was security for the marriage.  It likely that the two men are related.  And possible that they are brothers.

Sandi's Jehu Hawkins (b. 25 Aug 1756) married the widow Mary Gaines in Orange County, Virginia 25 Oct 1780.  As far as Sandi knows this is the first use of the name Jehu in this family.  But it became a family tradition to use both the names Jehu and John in every generation after this until at least 1860.

Jehu and Mary Gaines had a son named John Hawkins who died 1812 in Barren
County, Kentucky.  He had no will, but Sandi has ascertained that he left a wife and two children when he died.  She has names for the family he left. He also had a son Jehu Dyer Hawkins b 17 December 1785.  This Jehu left a will dated 5 March 1883 in Edmonson County, Kentucky. This second generation Jehu Hawkins used the names John Hawkins and Jehu Hawkins interchangeably.  In his will he used John D Hawkins. This Jehu also
had sons Jehu D and John. Jehu 1785-1883.  The second generation son Jehu followed the family tradition naming sons Jehu Dyer and John Hawkins. In addition he also had a son named Elias B Hawkins.  Elias continued the tradition and named sons Jehu D. and John L.   To make this even more confusing another son of the first Jehu named Henry George Hawkins also had sons Jehu D. and John Henry.  And the grandson of the first Jehu who was named Henry George Hawkins also named sons Jehu D. and John B.

Friday, June 9, 2017

Autosomal DNA

I have to say that I was blown away this week by a new match on FTDNA to my own Family Finder test.  I guess that I hadn't looked in several months.  I was showing a buddy what to expect if they bought the family finder while it is on sale this week at $69.  And ....oh, my gosh,  I had a new match!  It is a new VERY close match.  The only person who matches me more closely is my MOTHER!  I was practically screaming:  Who are you?  How can someone who is that close of a match be someone that I don't know?  And the answer is that the man who is my match was adopted at birth.  He is looking for his birth parents.  And certainly his match to me tells him who his father is.  Perhaps not conclusively without some extra details about his own age, whereabouts etc....but I don't know when I have been more surprised.

The DNA is amazing!

Thursday, March 9, 2017

Family Group #1

Sandi Vaught e-mailed me tonight with a few questions.  She does not have a proven connection to Family Group #1.  However as I started answering some questions that she posed, I found myself sharing with her information that would connect to Family Group #1 in Orange County, Virginia.  Rather than just answer her privately, I wanted to post some of this information for future referral as I believe that it is possible that it may have some clues for me in my personal research.

I will put Sandi's connection in this spot after I receive permission from her and after I get my head straight about her line.

So first question she asked:

I still want to know who these Wm Hawkins are:

Wm Hawkins that lived on Cook’s Run 1742-1748 and seems to be listed as in the fork of the Pamunkey (NorthAnna) in 1752?
So I rummaged in my data bases and began to answer:

Ok….let me think about this….If he is on the Pamunkey,/North Anna, he is in Orange or Louisa.  I will assume Orange since you are most interested in that county.  Could it say the North fork of the Pamunkey?  That is the other name for the North Anna….and changes what I think….if he is in the fork, I would think that it would mean literally that place where the N. Anna and S. Anna meet….but if it says the North Fork of the Pamunkey, I think that it might have been anywhere along the North Anna….And that is VERY interesting to me!

This is not the William who was the son of Benjamin and Sarah Willis.  That son would not have been old enough yet.  I think it unlikely that any of the orphans of John and Elizabeth (Butler?) Hawkins would have had children old enough to have been this man.  He could have been the William who was a brother to Benjamin Hawkins who married Sarah Willis…..that is the orphan William who we call the plasterer.  What do I know about him?  Not a whole lot.  Others have told me that his wife’s name was Elizabeth.

Here is what I have in my data base…..remember VERY iffy!

Craig Kilby believes that the Will of William Hawkins of Orange County dated 20 Jan 1776 is that of this man.  Wanita also guessed that the will may have belonged to this man. He names son, John, Wife Elizabeth, son, William, and son Benjamin.   Uriel Mallory and Wm Strother and Thomas Brown are witnesses.

I am adding this interpretation of the will March 2005:

This is an abstract of the will of William Hawkins of the County of Orange and Parish of Sat. Thomas, being weak in body, dated 20 Jan. 1776.

Unto my son John Hawkins two cows and calves whenever he leaves of overseeing and goes to house keeping.
To my beloved wife Elizabeth Hawkins all the residue of my estate during her natural life and after her decease to be divided as follows:
Unto my son William Hawkins twenty shillings sterling if he should be living at the time of my decease and if dead to descend to my son John Hawkins.
Unto my son Benjamin Hawkins one shilling current money.
Unto my son John Hawkins all the rest of my estate. 
My beloved wife Elizabeth Hawkins executrix and my son John Hawkins executor.  William Hawkins
Wit: Uriel Mallory, Wm Strother, Thomas Brown
Proved 24 Oct 1776

Ok my notes say that this William was probably the son of John Hawkins and Elizabeth Butler--brother to Benjamin Hawkins (Benj1) who married Sarah Willis.

Wanita says:
Dear Marsha,
I thought that the sons--William, and Benjamin, named in the will are probably the William hawkins noted later with a will of about 1795, and the Benjamin with a will of 1782, and wife, Juda.  That is also an assumption, as the dates and l,ocations seem to fit.  I know others have made other deductions. Several claim the son, John went to N C?

John is said to have died in 1716 in Richmond county, virginia.  It seems that he died young as he his will provides for young children.  Placing them with other men to provide that they will learn skills to use for their livlihood.  He specifically asks Henry Wood to take William (husband of Sarah Willis Wood Hudson Tuberville) to teach him the trade of plaster.  So this William would have been born in either the end of the 1600's or the first decade of the 1700's.  Which is a likely time for man dying in 1776.  The thing that catches my attention here  is the witnesses.  I believe that my Benjamin and Thomas Hawkins lived very close to Mallory's Ford....Then certainly we know that the Hawkins/Bourne line was entertwined with the Strother family---Moses married and had children with Susannah Strother--her father was named William Strother and it is very likely her father who is acting as witness here.  So it makes sense that this William is indeed the brother of Benj1. 

The red arrow points to a creek that is now called Cooks Creek (not Run)....but only Cooks Creek/Run in Orange.

Oh, my gosh, Sandi, that is soooooooo close to where my Thomas R. Hawkins' uncle Benjamin lived.   “On the thirtieth day of October, in the year 1813, seventeen males and an unknown number of females, met in the home of Brother Hawkins, about three and a half miles south of Orange.

And then when My Thomas R. Hawkins married she second wife, Martha Bibb, she pays a debt to obtain land on the North Anna River at Mallory's Ford:

 it being the same tract or parcel of land sold under a deed of Trust executed by the said Thomas R. Hawkins to John Scott to secure a debt to the late John Heaston and purchased by John Ellis as trustee under the said marriage settlement for the benefit of the said Martha P. Hawkins and conveyed by deed bearing the date the 18th day of March 1847 duly recorded in the Lerk’s Office of Orange County Court by John Scott trustee as aforesaid the said John Ellis for the use and benefit of the said Martha P. Hawkins and paid for out of the funds secured to her, by the said settlement. 

 It seems to me that this implies that this land has been in the Hawkins family and that Martha is just paying off the debt in order to obtain ownership of the land again.  Martha and Thomas Hawkins live on that land for the rest of Martha's life.  She pays taxes on it for many years and then sells it to her husband for $1 before she died.  Maybe my own Hawkins family is connected to William the plaster instead of Benjamin and Sarah Willis!  

There would be another generation in between this William and uncle Benjamin.  But it would narrow fathers to:  John, Benjamin and William....almost no help at all, huh?  Still it is very interesting. 

OK next William:

Wm Hawkins that lived on Blackwalnut Run, Mine Run, bound Wm Strother and Thos Morrison. 1772-1782?
(land Wm and Elizabeth Hawkins sold to Wm Pannell Son of the above, Elisha Hawkins witnessed)

What where their connection to Wm Pannell and Sarah Bailey.? Just chance?

Ok, let me think some more......Ok, Benjamin and Sarah Willis's sons are old enough to have owned land by this date and the fact that son Moses married Susannah Strother makes them most likely candidates for this William....that is the William who married Jane Bourne is most likely candidate to have land near Wm Strother.  However, I do not have an Elisha Hawkins among the Hawkins/Bourne family....that doesn't mean that there isn't one that I don't know.

I have two Elisha Hawkins's in my John and Mary NOTLong data base (remember iffy!).  One is Elisha Son of William and Elizabeth Wall (William died c.1799)who married Elizabeth Edwards (daughter of Uriah who made some kind of alcoholic beverage at home instead of attending his daughter's wedding according to Milly Farmer)

Jehu is mentioned in my notes for this Elisha:

Elisha moved to Ky and  it is thought that Elizabeth did not accompany them.  It is  not known if she died or just didn’t want to leave Virginia.  

Jehu also gave a deposition in Elisha Hawkins application both living in Franklin County, KY.  Elisha's statement says:
 "but I only know of one person now living that I can prove my
service: Mr Jehu Hawkins. I was once on furlough to my recollection being sick permitted to return home & he went back to the army with me on private business
 I remember thinking while I was reading Jehu's deposition that he knew lots of details about the service of Elisha (Elijah).

On page 114 of Milly Farmer’s book there is a sworn declaration from Rebecca that her husband served in the Revolutionary war with brother Elisha in regiment of Col John Spotswood under Capt Francis Taylor.  

The other Elisha in my data base is the son of Reuben Hawkins and Rebecca Edwards.  Rebecca Edwards is a sister to Elizabeth Edwards who married who married the other Elisha.  Could this be right?  But both brides seem to be daughters of Uriah Edwards.  And this second Elisha may have been named after his father's brother, Elisha.....BUT one Elisha is a different generation from the other while the brides are sisters....something seems inconsistent.  Do you have corrections for my ideas?

The last Wm Hawkins is one that is the indentured slave, his master was Edward Pigg. 

I can only say that I do not know anything about this last Wm Hawkins nor do I know anything about Edward Pigg.  Anyone else have any ideas?