Saturday, January 21, 2017

Hawkins autosomal DNA matches in Family Group #1

I heard from Erin Colby this week.  She and her father are autosomal DNA matches to Bret Hawkins. Bret is a yDNA participant who is a match to Family Group #1.  All three did autosomal testing via Ancestry and the expected connection is 4th cousins.  It is so much fun when we find autosomal matches to add to our yDNA group.  The autosomal matches are so much harder to pinpoint!

Erin says:  My great great grandfather was Richard B Hawkins from Cannon Co. Tn, he and family moved to Parker Co. Tx sometime in the early 1900s.

And Bret has explained that his family were found for 4 generations in the Cannon/DeKalb/Warren County area of TN.

Bret says:  4 generations- my father ( Jessie Allen Hawkins ), grandfather ( Willie Richard Hawkins ), great grandfather ( Joseph Irvin Hawkins ), and great great grandfather ( Joseph T. Hawkins ) all lived in the Short Mountain area of Tennessee.  I still had aunts and uncles living atop Short Moutain when I was growing up. I and have very special memories of that magical ( magical to me ) place. 

The Tennessee Encyclopedia says about Short Mountain:  A noted feature of the Eastern Highland Rim landscape of Middle Tennessee is Short Mountain. Located in northeastern Cannon County, the mountain looms above adjacent portions of DeKalb and Warren Counties as well.

Unfortunately, I was unable to find a good photo/map of the area, and so I'll wait until Bret has a chance to send us photos from his recent trip to the area.  

I will add to this blog post as I have time.

Friday, January 6, 2017

Hawkins in Rutherford County, NC

I received an e-mail from a researcher with following query:

Lucinda Hawkins was born in 1820 and died in 1900. She married Daniel Dobbins in 1841 Rutherford Co. NC. Bondsman was Daniel Hawkins and witness was Drury Dobbins. They are on the 1860 census for Cleveland Co. She appears on the 1900 census but is living with her daughter and son-in-law. Lucinda and Daniel were both members of Sandy Run Baptist Church. Daniel is buried at Sandy Run Cemetery but Lucinda is buried in the Hawkins cemetery (???).

In my research some say she is the daughter of Samuel Hawkins and Jane Webb. In Samuel’s Will he lists his children but Lucinda is not in the Will. On Find A Grave she is listed as his daughter.  Some researchers say she is the daughter of Edward Hawkins and Mary Rollins. I am not sure of the dates. Edward and Mary are the parents of Samuel Hawkins. Daniel and Lucinda were discharged from Sandy Run Baptist Church because of owing money. I don’t think Samuel would disown her and leave her out of his Will.

I am trying to figure out who her parents were.


I was of little help as I do not recognize the family. But I sent Rachel a few clues that I gathered as best I could.  Here are the thoughts in case you have ideas for Rachel or in case a clue is helpful for you:

Rachel, I do not know this family.  I looked around to see if i could find anything and did find one article that is attached.  let me know that you are able to read it. 

(the article did not copy here, but i can send it to you if you ask me for article of Hawkins in Rutherford County)

I see a clue that perhaps links Hawkins children to a mother who has remarried in  Lunenburg County, Virginia and moves to Rutherford County with a new name.

I did dig up one more misc item.  DNA family group #14 is a very small family group.  Peter Hawkins is the name of the earliest ancestor of one participant belonging to this group.  Peter is said to have moved to Newberry County from Lunenburg County, Virginia before the Revolutionary War.

Also when you go to the overview in the Hawkins DNA blog, a search for Lunenburg brings up:

Group #3

Participants use names Edward and Eleanor of York County, Va.  Isham Hawkins of Halifax County, Va.  Edward Hawkins of Lunenburgh County, Virginia who died in SC and whose descendants moved south into Ga, Missisppi, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and TX.  And Hanssel Hawkins who was a brandon of Edward and Winnie "Wells" Hawkins. Also Joshua Hawkins b. c. 1755 who married Dorothy Beam in Rowan County NC in the 1780's.  Both died in Wilkes County.

Sorry…no more ideas….Group  #3 means DNA group #3….go to the website for trees for participants in these family groups:


Monday, November 14, 2016

Holiday DNA sale

Family Tree DNA announced their holiday sale this morning.  The prices are excellent!  

This is a wonderful time to become a part of the Hawkins DNA project.  Please help me by passing along this information to everyone who might have an interest.  And contact me if I can assist you in making good decisions on what to buy.  marsha moses

Tuesday, November 1, 2016

Reuben Hawkins

I have been talking to Brijit ( this week of Halloween about her Hawkins family.  Both her paper trail and her genetic trail (autosomal) connect her to Reuben Hawkins who is found in Orange County, Virginia  before and during the Revolutionary War.  However, all of his family joins the mass exodus of the Virginia Hawkins families into Kentucky after the Revolution.  Reuben's wife, Rebecca Edwards Hawkins died in Franklin County, Kentucky 27 July 1840.  We are very lucky that Rebecca applied for a pension because of her husband's service in the Revolution and left a good amount of excellent information for those who came later about the family of this couple.  Reuben is said to have been in uniform when the couple married.  There is information in Milly Farmer's book (you can find her book Bits and Pieces on the main page of this is one of the top tabs) that says that Rebecca's father was making brandy (may have remembered the wrong spirit...but it was alcoholic) and didn't attend the wedding.  But I have long looked at this family and hoped to have a yDNA participant who would represent this Hawkins line.

I have included Reuben and Rebecca Edwards Hawkins in the John and Mary Long Hawkins line although I never was able to prove that indeed they were part of this family line.  The question remains to be sorted out if Hawkins DNA Family Group #1 will include this large and VERY interesting family or if they are a family of their own.  I do know that they all lived in the area of the Northern Neck and then pushed west into the frontier as it opened up in the early 1800s.  Frontier at that time being Orange, Culpeper, Spotsylvania .....Remember that I do not actually believe that Mary's maiden name is Long.  But people have connected John and Mary Long Hawkins for so many years to this family that I use it as an identifier still.

Brijit has been in touch with Bob Hawkins who also connects to this line.  She and I are talking about the possibility that Bob will be a participant in the yDNA project to represent this line.  For me, this would be a huge, important new piece of information that I have hoped for for a long time.  Both Brijit and Bob seem to have an excellent trail to Reuben and Rebecca Edwards Hawkins!

Here is information that Brijit has sent to me that I don't want to loose.  Brijit's information is in bigger, bolder font while my additions are in this font:

Reuben Hawkins who was married to Rebecca Edwards-- and yes, she did move on to live in Frankfort (Franklin County) KY with her children.  As for Reuben, there's some confusion as to whether or not he did as well.  I've seen conflicting information about whether or not he died in KY or VA, so I wonder if the one who died in VA might have been the other Reuben you mentioned, because the idea of him staying behind while the rest of his family moved to KY doesn't make sense.  

I would add here that Millie Farmer says: 

Reuben didn’t leave a will but his material possessions were listed in Orange Co. THe inventory was witnessed by James Hawkins and then it says by Reuben Hawkins . Exec with Thos Hawkins his security. 

My notes say that Reuben died in 1812.  So the Thos Hawkins named as security is a bit of a mystery to own Thomas Hawkins is likely to have lived in Orange County, but he would have only have been 15.  You know, the gut feeling that comes into my head is that Reuben did not die in Orange County.  That his son, also named Reuben has come back to Orange County to settle his father's estate that he didn't sell before the move.  I wrote another blog post on my main genealogy blog that is of interest here:

You might like to know a few other things about Reuben and Rebecca that are really, really interesting:

1.  Thanks to Reuben I'm qualified to join the DAR, as he was a Revolutionary War soldier from Orange County, VA.  I haven't finished the process yet, but have started it.

2.  There is quite a bit of evidence that the family was Baptist and that this is why they moved to KY.  Rebecca's father, Uriah Edwards, and mother, Mildred (Head) Edwards, were Baptists.  Uriah was originally from Wales and I understand that there was a large population of Baptists from that country.  Either way, the Church of England was persecuting Baptists in Virginia at the time, forcing them to attend Anglican masses, taxing them, and jailing them.  It appears that Reuben Hawkins' father, William Hawkins, signed a petition for the Separation of Church and State-- a act of which I'm very proud.  If you'd like to read a more detailed account of this information, you can find it in my blog post here:

3.  Rebecca's father, Uriah Edwards, did not approve of her marriage to Reuben and I found evidence pointing to the fact that he (Uriah) was still loyal to the British Crown, while Reuben, as you know, was a soldier in the American Revolution.  It turns out that Uriah may or may not have been directly connected to an enormous fortune in NY dedicated to the Edwards family by the British Crown.  You can learn more about that in this article I wrote:

4.  Evidence that I am indeed genetically related to Reuben and Rebecca (Edwards) Hawkins, and Uriah and Mildred (Head) Edwards has shown up on Ancestry through several cousin matches who share these same ancestors, so I know that I'm on the correct path.  Like me, Bob Hawkins is a descendant of Reuben and Rebecca, by way of their son, Moses Hawkins.  I am a descendant by way of their daughter, Emily H. Hawkins McKendrick.  Moses and Emily later left Kentucky and settled in Gibson County, TN-- Emily briefly, since her husband, William McKendrick died there.  She remarried and moved on again to Arkansas and later, Williamson County, IL, where she died.  I am descended through her daughter, Sarah Jane McKendrick, who returned to Frankfort, KY and eventually died there. The McKendrick line of my family has been a brick wall.

OK I have to point out that the fact that Reuben and Rebecca name a son Moses gives me pause for a minute.  All of the Hawkins/Bourne families have a son named Moses who is named in honor of Moses Hawkins (son of Benjamin and Sarah Willis Hawkins) who was killed at the battle of Germantown.  All of the Hawkins/Bourne group belong to Hawkins DNA family group #1.  And so I end this blog post with the same feeling I always do when I try to sort out the early Hawkins families.....I throw up my hands in confusion!

Wednesday, October 12, 2016

Family Group #5

Jo Qualls ( has shared with me information about her Tennessee Hawkins family.  Her first cousin  has done yDNA testing and his results match with Family Group #5.  His kit number is 474304.  Thus, Jo is able to assume that her Hawkins line is a match to FG #5.  And the good news is that indeed Jo believes that the paper trail for her Hawkins line connects her to John the Mariner.

 Also from Jo:

I’ve found many descendants of Joseph, d. 1844, and now with the DNA matches, I’m discovering more and more. I would love to participate and share information with anyone. Here is a link to ECHOS OF SPRING CREEK, published by Harold A. Hawkins, a descendant of James Hawkins, the 4th son of Augustine d. 1808. It’s the story of the Tennesee Hawkins family. A lot of the information in the book was given to Harold by Jeanne Bornefeld.  The book does have some mistakes in it, but it also gives a  good picture of the Tennessee Hawkins Family. Below is the link.  It’s a large book of over 750 pages, so give it some time to load.

Monday, September 19, 2016

DNA Guides for beginners

I am reading the Georgia Genealogical Society's Quarterly for Fall 2016 tonight and see that there is a recommendation for an on-line guide:

I am not reading it tonight.  Just noting it for future reference.  The same article suggests that if one prefers a print book, the National Genealogical Society is publishing:

Saturday, September 3, 2016

Family Group #1

I did not finish the post that I started about getting my head organized on the below participants.  However, I became interested in adding miscellaneous information about the Littleberry Hawkins men that I have collected over the years.  So if your interest is ONLY Littleberry Hawkins, skip to the name Littleberry Hawkins in BOLD letters below.  This is where I will begin to write the information that I have collected.  Please help me to organize it with your comments and editing suggestions sent to

I have become confused with the addition of our new participants Bret Hawkins and Cherokeehawk Mike  Hawkins.  This post has the goal of getting my brain more organized about rewriting the overview for this family group to be more accurate.  I ask that all of the family groups give me ideas for their own overview to make each of them as accurate as possible.  And I ask that everyone who is a part of Family Group #1 help me edit this post so that I am back on track.

Bret Hawkins says about his earliest proven ancestor:

I have Joseph T. Hawkins 1810- 1868 in Warren County, TN as my absolute great great grandfather, but nothing positive from there on.  I think they came from VA to Kentucky before TN, but no proof as yet. 

Bret has been in touch with the wife of Julius Caesar Hawkins who is now deceased and she has added the following information:

My husband was a Hawkins, and he passed away in Feb. 2014.  I did get the DNA test on him several months before his death.  I will get my genie info out and see what I find.  The name you mentioned is not familiar to me.  My husband was Julius Caesar Hawkins III, his father was the Jr., and his grandfather was the first.  My husband was born 1931, his father I think in 1906.  The grandfather I will have to check.  As I remember great grandfather was Littleberry Hawkins.  I do know my husband was born in Missouri, and quite possibly his father......

From Dot I have the following that connects the Benjamin and Hannah Hawkins who lived on the land that is now a part of the Biltmore Estate to Littleberry Hawkins as well: 
We have been able to connect Benjamin and his brother, James, to William and Mary Littleberry of Bedford, VA and there is yet another William who travels down from Orange County,VA and seems to have been Ben's grandfather and was likely The Plasterer.  The story goes that Ben and James went on with their grandparents to NC and then the two of them later moved on with their families to Buncombe County. There are wills and other documents and "stories" that apparently verify all this and we hope to make a VA trip at some time in the future to get the data to verify all of this.  

Littleberry Hawkins

There is a Littleberry Hawkins connected with Dot's husband's Benjamin and Hannah Hawkins who lived on the land that is now part of the Biltmore Estate:

This group lived in Bedford County/Campbell County area of Virginia before their move to NC.

From Dot:  My husband was a descendant of Benjamin Hawkins (b1762) of Bencombe County, NC.   In Bedford County VA/ Campbell County (which ever came out of the other)  A William Hawkins died in 1793 and his will lists all of his sons and 1 daughter for sure with the possibility of a second one.  This William's wife was Mary (according to the will) and some say she was a Littleberry.  The curious thing is that William's sons names appear in Benjamin's family with 2 prominent uncommon names for Hawkins -- Robert and Littleberry.  This William of Bedford County was born c1735 +/-,  At the time of William's death Ben was already in Buncombe County, NC and married with 3 children,  Mary, John and William.   James Hawkins appears in B.C. at the same time as Ben and today's DNA has put one of James' descendants in Group 1.  This along with some court records has given some pretty good "proof" to one of my early ideas that James and Ben were brothers and came to Buncombe County at the same time.  James' name also appears in the above mentioned will second to Ben's. 

Then we have the below information about Littleberry/bury Hawkins from Janice:

Hi all
It looks like the match to Bret Hawkins, Betty's husband Julius Caesar Hawkins leads back to Virginia. The great grandfather Littlebury Hawkins was born about 1832 in Virginia but is out in Pike County, Missouri by 1853 at least. I see that a Benjamin Hawkins with wife Ailsie is also in Pike County MO by 1850 and he was born in Virginia about 1794.  There are a couple of other Hawkins in Pike that could possibly be connected to Littlebury but could not locate him in 1850.  He married first in 1853 in Pike County to Mary Jane Miller. 


Then I have the following that I have added to my slideshow on County Information:

Littleberry Hawkins married Jane Shearer, dt. James.  Richard W. Hicks Surety 18 June 1794 Campbell County marriage bonds found in Hinshaw Vol VI

OK.....this one is a surprise to me....I will start by giving you a link to an old article that I wrote for Phil Hawkins' newsletter before Phil talked me into taking over the Hawkins DNA project:

Be sure to scroll down to the article that I wrote that will be under Hawkins family group #1.

When I was looking among my collected information I found that there is a Littleberry connected to Sarah Powell's family group as well.  Sarah has two Hawkins families in her lineage.  She has no participant for the family that we expect to connect with Family Group #1.  But her family was living in Bedford County in the right time period.

Kits #95267 and #11301 are Hawkins DNA group #1 matches.  Both believe that they descend from a couple named John and Winnie Hawkins.  John (b.1754) left a will in Henry County, Ky when he died in 1821. 

But here was the surprise.  I am pretty sure that I received the below from Julia Norton.

13.  Benjamin3 Hawkins (John2, Alexander1)12 was born Abt. 1779 in Virginia, and died in Breckenridge County, Kentucky.  He married Mary Polly Hewitt May 03, 1804 in Bedford County, Virginia13, daughter of John Hewitt and Mourning ?.  She was born April 29, 1786 in Virginia.

Children of Benjamin Hawkins and Mary Hewitt are:
         32                 i.     Eliza4 Hawkins, born March 01, 1808.
         33               ii.     Littleberry Hawkins, born 1809.
+       34              iii.     Charles Hawkins, born Abt. 1817 in Kentucky; died Abt. 1870.
+       35              iv.     Caleb Hawkins, born Abt. May 1820 in Breckenridge County, Kentucky; died April 25, 1907 in 2624 Aloha, Seattle, King County, Washington.

And then I found that Don Hill also has a Littlebury in his information.  Don's paper trail connects him back to William Hawkins b. circa 1708 in Essex County, Virginia.  His DNA results connect him to our Family Group #1.

Another or the same Littleberry:

General: Campbell Co Will Book I page 252
William Hawkins-
To my son William Hawkins- one third of my land, to be laid off to him at my palce.
To my son Joseph Hawkins- onethird of my land to be laid off to him at my place.
To my wife Mary Hawkins- the rest of my land and mansion house where I now live, during her life, and then to go to my son Littleberry Hawkins. Also, the rest of my stock and other property after my just debts are paid, during her life, and then to be equally divided among my 3 sons, William, Joseph, and Littleberry.
To my daughters Milly Hicks,-a lease of the place where she now lives, during her life, with liberty to clear from where the plantation now is, between the two branches, to the head of the branches.
Executors: My son Robert Hawkins, and my son Joseph Hawkins, and my wife Mary Hawkins.
Signed 10mar1793- William (X) Hawkins-Wit-Bartley Wiley, William Epperson, Mary (X) Pratt.
N.B. It is my will that Lucy Hawkins hould have a horse beast and a cow, when she is grown up.
N.B. It is also my desire to leave my 3 sons, viz, Benjamin Hawkins, James and Robert 5 shillings apiece.
Signed-William(X) Hawkins. Wit-Richard W.(X) Hawkins, Nancy (X) Hawkins.
At C Court of Dec 5, 1793, the will and codicils of William Hawkins deceased were proved by the oaths of witnesses Bartlet Wiley, William Epperson, Richard Hawkins and Nancy Hawkins, and OR. Executors Mary Hawkins and Joseph Hawkins were granted a certificate for obtaining probate; Bartlet Wiley, William Hawkins, and Robert Hawkins were their securities.  Robert Hawkins, the other Executor, in open court, refused to join in the probate.

General: In 1803 Littlebury Hawkins obtained 100 acres, on East head branch of Ivy Creek adjacent to Henry Davis, from Francis Gaddy.  Deed Bk 11-1142.
In 1812 Littlebury and Jane Ann (Shearer) Hawkins sold 50 acres of this to William Carter. Deed Bk 13-679.
In 1814 Littleberry purchased 205 acres from Benjamin Gaddy, on Flemmins Mountain, adjacent to John Mitchell and wife. Bk 14-146.
In 1816 Littleberry purchased, Benjamin Gaddy, 184 acres on Ivy Creek and Flemmins Mountain.  Bk 15-62.
In 1818 Littleberry and Jane Ann Shearer (Hawkins) sold 64 Acres, adjacent to Gaddy and Cobbs, to Bernard Rucker. Bk 15-402.
In 1825 Littleberry purchased , from Barnabas Little, 20 acres, adjucent to Scruggs and Fizer (Fisher?). Bk 19-287.
In 1843 Littleberry Hawkins Will1 listed Jenny as widow and division of Slaves. Bk 11-169.  Littleberry Hawkins will shows Land division, listing Jane Ann as widow.  Bk 11-243.
In 1847 Littleberry Hawkins Estate, sold to George K. Bruce, 180.5 Acres, on Ivy Creek (lot 2 of Estate). Bk 33-305.
1850 Census Bedford Co, VA, Northern Division Family # 49 List Jenny A. with no children or husband. Littleberry Hawkins Died in 1843.

I received this information from Elaine Campbell 20 July 2012.  It shows some connection between Green County, Ky and the Hawkins families in Bedford.  It is interesting that someone from Elaine's family also had land in Green County.  One thought pops up into my head after having heard from Julia Norton.  Is there a possibility that land was awarded for service in the War of 1812 for land in Green County, KY?  I'll try to look at that.

I looked very quickly and found that Kentucky is not mentioned on this website, but Missouri is one of the places where land was given for service.

And here is a site that looks worth while to peruse.  And here is a link to specifics about Kentucky land

And here is a link to specifics about Kentucky land

Green County, KY  Deed Book 7 pages 308-310....9 july 1816 

Benjamin Gaddy and wife Susannah of Green County to Littleberry Hawkins of Bedford Virginia....selling 184 acres This is Virginia land recorded in Green County ...the Gaddy's are selling land that is in Bedford County, Virginia to Littleberry Hawkins.....but they are recording it in Green County, Kentucky.

Elaine's Joseph had land in Green County.  THe land is described as "to a Hawkins Corner"....or perhaps it was land given for Revolutionary war service?  Anyone help me on this?  Was Green County, KY an area that was used for land for service in either war?

Ok, here is a partial answer to my question:

Are Virginia veterans who applied for Revolutionary War bounty land warrants after 1792 listed on this database?
No. When Kentucky separated from Virginia on June 1, 1792, Revolutionary War warrants could no longer be used to obtain land in the Kentucky Military District unless the patent was already in the process of being issued. In 1795, the Kentucky Military District was closed, and the area was open for settlement under the South of Green River Patent Series. The only exceptions were the West of Tennessee River Military Patents, issued in the 1820s, authorized by Virginia Revolutionary War warrants that had been "issued" prior to the closure of the Military District.

I can not figure out for sure ....but it looks to me as if a part of what is now the southern part of Green County may have been part of this Military District.

It seems that the Green River cuts right through the middle of Green County.  I believe that Green River was the northern boundary of the Military District.  Thus the southern part of Green County may have been part of the lands given for military service in the Revolutionary War.  

But one of the interesting things I have learned this morning with my quick looking is that the reason for the big move to Missouri in the time period after the war of 1812 may have been for bounty land:

The following from Wikipedia:

On May 6, 1812, an act of Congress was passed 2 Stat. 729 which set aside bounty lands as payment to volunteer soldiers for the War against the British (War of 1812). The land was set aside in western territories that became part of the present states of ArkansasMichigan and Illinois.

However, lands in Missouri were later substituted for those in Michigan, due to a report by the surveyor-general of the United States, Edward Tiffin, which quite misleadingly described the land in Michigan that had been set aside for this purpose as undesirable. Other later acts of Congress, until 1855, continued to address the needs of soldiers wishing to redeem their bounty land warrants and efforts continued to try to provide suitable land area for these soldiers.